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The Citizens of St. Paul as well as others have expressed thier views below on whether or not the St. Francis Hotel and Orpheum Theatre (now known as the Seventh Place Building - including the Apartments as well as the businesses), and the Coney Island Buildings should be demolished for what some would term as "progress" - the demolition of these buildings to make way for a new office tower for the St. Paul Companies - a company which prides itself with HELPING AND CARING FOR THE COMMUNITY. Their voices are heard below. The challenge will be to the City and the St. Paul Companies whether or not they will listen to the Public when making such important decisions of whether or not they will demolish these historic structures which represent the very heritage of many St. Paulites, as well as 130 apartments which are soarly needed with the 1-2% vacancy rate! There ought to be a law that protects us from this potential injustice, wouldn't you say?

P.S. The St. Paul Cos. did listen to the public, and withdrew their offer in the spring of 1999! Now the building has a new owner, and are fixing up and renting the apartments, which are now called the "7th Place Apartments" - previously called "7th Place Residence", in case you knew it by that name. (The Port Authority made their decision to sell the 7th Place Building to the new owners, on July 27, 1999.)

A ST. PAULITE'S WEBPAGE PERSONAL RESPONSES:
Name: Susan Barthold
E-Mail: suzyb@gateway.net
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999
Time: 9:36 PM EST
Topic: Orpheum Theatre
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Just Visiting
Comment: I would like to encourage the preservation efforts which are being made here. Although I do not live in St. Paul, I actually live in Madison, WI --see the Madison's Orpheum link--, I am deeply disturbed that yet another vital piece of history may be lost to yet another city. As a part of Preserve the Orpheum, I know that such preservation efforts may seem insignifcant in light of the money being spent by those who wish to destroy pieces of the glorious past. But we managed to save our beautiful theatre from the threat of "progress" and I am quite sure that you can do the same. We duked it out in all of the local papers, with preservation supporters sending letter after letter to the three most widely read papers in the city. We developed a petition with approximately 4,000 signatures of people who supported the preservation of the building. We shouted it from the roof tops to any one that would listen. I beg you to do the same. We are not significat people in this city, and we had no money to speak of, but we managed to save a same piece of history in a city that is now becoming crowded with ugly glass boxes of buildings. You have what could be termed an "ace in the hole" since the people you are up against depend upon the public for their livelyhood. Without voters, a mayor cannot be re-elected, remind him constantly of this. Also remind your elected officals involved in this decision that they work for the public, not for a single business. It is idealy the will of the people which they should be following, not that of big business. But please be gentle in doing this, powerful enemies can be made very quickly. Please remember that I am speaking from experience, it can be done. We are living proof of this. I wish you the best of luck in this fight. History is not something that can ever be replaced, it can only be preserved.
Name: Unknown
E-Mail: josephm@uswest.net
Date: Monday, April 19, 1999
Time: 11:09 AM EST
Topic: St. Francis Hotel
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: 10 Year + resident
Comment: No Comment.
Name: Amy Mino
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999
Time: 6:05 PM EST
Topic: St. Paul's History
Support Sale and Demolition?: No
St. Paulite Status: Just Visiting
Comment: I live in Stillwater now, but I used to be a St. Paulite. Like Stillwater, Saint Paul has so much character. Its neighborhoods are unique and should be respected and preserved, especially the downtown neighborhood, which is constantly threatened by new development. We have a responsibility to future generations to protect our community's heritage and reuse our old buildings. Seventh Place Residence (the old St. Francis Hotel) is a great example of how a building can be reused. A creative use should have been found for the Orpheum before it was allowed to deteriorate. The Coney Island Inn is one of the most unusual and interesting historic places in downtown. Where else can you have lunch and feel like its 1920? Hopefully they will reopen it soon, and others will be able to experience it.
Name: bethany gladhill
E-Mail: bethany@yerkes.com
Date: Monday, March 8, 1999
Time: 9:30 PM EST
Topic: St. Francis Hotel
Support Sale and Demolition?: No
St. Paulite Status: Lifetime resident
Comment: i am a graduate student in historic preservation, doing a project on preservation incentives and how it makes more ecomimic sense to save the buildings than destroy them (not to mention historic and aesthetic sense). You guys are doing an excellent job!
Name: Mat Hollinshead
E-Mail: mlhpdc@bitstream.net
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999
Time: 3:16 PM EST
Topic: St. Francis Hotel
Support Sale and Demolition?: No
St. Paulite Status: Lifetime resident
Comment: I believe if the St. Paul Companies need expansion they should purchase the Wabasha Court site, now owned by a private party, instead of particpating in the sacrifice of one of the last pieces of affordable, residential, mixed use heritage in downtown.
Name: Christopher Clay
E-Mail: drakkar@hockey.net
Date: Friday, January 29, 1999
Time: 11:36 AM EST
Topic: St. Paul's History
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: 0-5 Year resident
Comment: Do we ever learn? We've already lost too many historical structures (the Ryan Hotel demolished in 1962). Saint Paul is founded on it's history. Demolishing these buildings, or in any way "restructuring" them is wrong and against preservation. Office buildings can be built anywhere. Structures built in the early 1900's can never be replaced if demolished. The St. Paul Companies has dismissed their option to buy the land - good for them. Let's close the issue and save the buildings. It's Norm Coleman's personal quest that is at issue here and he needs to be stopped. His behavior is inappropriate and not in the best interest of preservation. Again, have we not learned? I watched as buisnesses were forced out of the already ailing Town Square - and for what? So they could be replaced with "like businesses" that served Norm's politcal partners. I have a web site with a section dedicated to History, not only in Saint Paul, but elsewhere. I will soon update it ! with information on this saga as it unfolds. http://www.hockey.net/~drakkar Thank you for the forum to share my opinions.
Name: Brenda Lamb
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999
Time: 7:45 PM EST
Topic: The businesses of 7th Place: Bella St. Paul, Bruegger's Bagel Bakery, or Candyland
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Current or Past Employee/Owner of Bruegger's, Candyland, Bella St. Paul, or Coney Island
Comment: No Comment.
Name: Sarah Wagner
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999
Time: 7:34 PM EST
Topic: The St. Paul Companies
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Current or Past Employee/Owner of Bruegger's, Candyland, Bella St. Paul, or Coney Island
Comment: I think it is sad that anyone with alot of money can do whatever they want no matter how stupid and impractical their idea is!
Name: M. Heffner
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999
Time: 9:49 PM EST
Topic: St. Paul's History
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Current Resident of Seventh Place Residence
Comment: Why is a city so anxious to rid itself of the very things that attract visitors & business? It's History!! I try to encourage guests at my hotel in Bloomington to come and see the historic buildings in St. Paul. Where will they go when St. Paul has nothing left to show?
Name: Leela Moore
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999
Time: 9:43 PM EST
Topic: 7th Place Residence and/or other St. Paul affordable housing
Support Sale and Demolition?: Wait until more affordable housing becomes available, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: 5-10 Year resident
Comment: It is the best location for me because of my health & age. I am close to any transportation need.
Name: Joe Domagall
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999
Time: 9:40 PM EST
Topic: St. Paul's History
Support Sale and Demolition?: No
St. Paulite Status: Lifetime resident
Comment: No comment.
Name: Kathy Simonet
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999
Time: 7:38 PM EST
Topic: 7th Place Residence and/or other St. Paul affordable housing
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Wait until more affordable housing becomes available, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: 10 Year + resident
Comment: Would like to see and to have remain affordable housing in downtown St. Paul
Name: Mary Eleazer
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999
Time: 7:02 PM EST
Topic: The businesses of 7th Place: Bella St. Paul, Bruegger's Bagel Bakery, or Candyland
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: 5-10 Year resident
Comment: I really don't think it is fair to the little businesses of 7th Place like Brueggers Bagel & Candyland to have to move because they have been here for a long time. I just don't think it right for big business to come in & take over & the little business has no where to go.
Name: Larry Rouse
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Friday, January 8, 1999
Time: 7:44 PM EST
Topic: 7th Place Residence and/or other St. Paul affordable housing
Support Sale and Demolition?: Yes
St. Paulite Status: Current Resident of Seventh Place Residence
Comment: No Comment.
Name: Mary Eleazer
E-Mail: N/A
Date: Thursday, January 7, 1999
Time: 9:26 PM EST
Topic: 7th Place Residence and/or other St. Paul affordable housing
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Current Resident of Seventh Place Residence
Comment: I think we should keep our building because my husband is handicapped it is easier for him to get around to his doctor & shopping. Also there are other handicapped people in our building that would make it hard on them to get shopping done & go to the doctor. Residents here are happy to be living here & why should the St. Paul Companies take our home & leave us in the street. I don't think it is fair to us who live at 9 W. 7th Place. They are killing St. Paul our Home.
Name: Anita Small
E-Mail: papamurphy@wcta.net
Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998
Time: 11:48 AM EST
Topic: 7th Place Residence and/or other St. Paul affordable housing
Support Sale and Demolition?: No, Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Just Visiting
Comment: My sister lives here and I enjoy visiting the down town area just a walk away from her apartment. I know that if the building were demolished than a lot of history would be lost. I lived in Germany for 7 years and lived around building that were well over one hundred years old. When a place was bombed or ruined they would build the exact same building as much as possible. Maybe we have something to learn by this, does everything have to be new and improved in America ?. Where is our pride ?. Do we not take pride and want to remember the yesteryears of our past ?. If you want any income from tourism you have to leave some history behind. I also believe that there would be lost income from the people, family and friends that reside in 7th place. I know when I vist my sister I enjoy shopping across the street, I only the stores had longer hours. My sister is also able to live without a car since her job is only about 2 blocks away, which is a good thing since there is so little parking around that area. Is it not a good thing that less people are out there polluting our envirment. There are many benifits to include affordable housing. The apartments there are very nice and to would pick 7th place to be my residence is I had a job in that area. I am glad that some people are taking the inititive to save the old hotel. !!!
Name: Jim Sazevich
E-Mail: jassaz@uswest.net
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998
Time: 1:30 PM EST
Topic: Coney Island buildings
Support Sale and Demolition?: Too much history would be lost
St. Paulite Status: Lifetime resident
Comment: My love of the Original Coney Island goes back to at least 1955 when I first visited there with my parents. My father had grown up eating "Coneys" and wanted to introduce his 5 yr old son to this tradition. The wonderful, aged, spacious interior of the Original Coney Island intriqued me from the beginning. My first visit was followed by dozens of others over the years, and I have sincerely missed the experience since the temporary closing of the business. Maybe it was places like the old Coney Island that helped influence my becoming an architectural historian and preservationist. For several years I have been researching and documenting the history of the Coney Island Building and the neighboring Coney Island Bar building. In 1999 I will nominate the Coney Island Buildings for listing on the National Register of Historic Places. The earliest building of the two is the bar portion of the Coney, it was built in 1858, the same year that Minnesota became a state. !

The restaurant building was built 30 years later in 1888. Both buildings are well preserved, retaining the majority of their original fabric. The 1858 building has a first floor Art Deco bar on the main floor and two floors above which retain their 1858 interiors. The restaurant building has a wonderful 1920s era restaurant interior on the first floor and two residential floors above which retain almost all of their 1880's interiors. The 1858 building is built of limestone, and is the oldest existing commercial building in all of St. Paul, and the best preserved commercial builiding of its era in the Twin Cities. The 1858 building was used by the State of Minnesota for its State Arsenal from about 1866 to 1880. The "trophies of battle" brought back from the south by our Union troops were displayed here during that time. Many military patriotic parades originated or terminated at the State Arsenal on St. Peter St. (More to follow) Yes - we will just loose to much of! St. Paul's history with the loss of these buildings. Lets stop them in their tracks!!! God Save St. Paul from Money Mongers and Demolitionists!


Name: Unknown
E-Mail: Unknown
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998
Time: 5:42 PM EST
Topic: St. Francis Hotel
Support Sale and Demolition?: Wait until more affordable housing becomes available
St. Paulite Status: Just Visiting
Comment: I think they should at least keep the building there until more affordable housing is available. the page looks great by the way.

Since this page is dedicated to Personal Responses, here are some Links that discuss the concern of the City's demolition of historic structures:

The Memory Theater A webpage devoted to the preservation of the Orpheum Theater in St. Paul, MN. Go to this page to express your views and give your knowledge of this historic theater!

Chris and Brent's Homepage A personal homepage that also shows concern for the loss of our historic structures.

Other Interesting Links:

The Landmark Center - this building was due to come down with the wrecking ball at one time, and now is a vital part of everyday St. Paul life!

NOW IS THE TIME... TO GO TO THE CONTACTS PAGE...AND LET THE CITY KNOW OF YOUR CONCERNS!

Thank you for voicing your concerns!

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